Nobel prize winner Thomas Sargent talking absolute unadulterated horse shit

24 Sep, 2019 at 11:28 | Posted in Economics | 9 Comments

I especially love the way this Nobel laureate “explains” rational expectations:

There are so many people out there, and it is so difficult to know how each one of them thinks about the future. So let’s just assume they think the same. Problem solved.

And that absolute nonsense reasoning rendered this guy a ‘Nobel prize’ in economics!

The tiny little problem that there is no hard empirical evidence that verifies rational expectations models obviously doesn’t bother rational expectations überpriest Thomas Sargent. He goes on defending the epistemological status of the rational expectations hypothesis arguing that since it “focuses on outcomes and does not pretend to have behavioral content,” it has proved to be “a powerful tool for making precise statements.”

Yeah, “precise” and “rigorous” — but what good does that do when they are all wrong?

As Sargent says in the interview, the concept of rational expectations was first developed by John Muth in an Econometrica article in 1961 — Rational expectations and the theory of price movements  — and later — from the 1970s and onward — applied to macroeconomics. Muth framed his rational expectations hypothesis (REH) in terms of probability distributions:

Expectations of firms (or, more generally, the subjective probability distribution of outcomes) tend to be distributed, for the same information set, about the prediction of the theory (or the “objective” probability distributions of outcomes).

But Muth was also very open with the non-descriptive character of his concept:

The hypothesis of rational expectations] does not assert that the scratch work of entrepreneurs resembles the system of equations in any way; nor does it state that predictions of entrepreneurs are perfect or that their expectations are all the same.

To Muth, its main usefulness was its generality and ability to be applicable to all sorts of situations irrespective of the concrete and contingent circumstances at hand.

Muth’s concept was later picked up by New Classical Macroeconomics, where it soon became the dominant model-assumption and has continued to be a standard assumption made in many neoclassical (macro)economic models – most notably in the fields of (real) business cycles and finance (being a cornerstone of the “efficient market hypothesis”).

REH basically says that people on the average hold expectations that will be fulfilled. This makes the economist’s analysis enormously simplistic since it means that the model used by the economist is the same as the one people use to make decisions and forecasts of the future. paste

But in the real world, it is not possible to just assume — as does Sargent — that we know the exact probability distribution of future events. On the contrary. We can’t even assume that probability distributions are the right way to characterize, understand or explain acts and decisions made under uncertainty. When we simply do not know, when we have not got a clue, when genuine uncertainty prevails, REH simply is not  “reasonable.” In those circumstances, it is not a useful assumption, since, under those circumstances, the future is not like the past, and henceforth, we cannot use the same probability distribution – if it at all exists – to describe both the past and future.

If we want to have anything of interest to say on real economies, financial crisis, and the decisions and choices real people make, it is high time to replace the rational expectations hypothesis with more relevant and realistic assumptions concerning economic agents and their expectations. ‘Rational expectations’ — paraphrasing Nichols Kaldor — is a barren and irrelevant apparatus of thought to deal with the way real-world people make decisions and act. It sure is “thoroughly misleading and pretty useless” and also one of the major obstacles to developing economics as a science.

‘Rational expectations’ doesn’t pass The-Real-World-Smell-Test. It is just silly nonsense on stilts.


  1. He deserves an award for Doublespeak and circular reasoning…. or how to best please those who don’t want change. Leo Strauss would be proud. Wish there were a ‘Razzies’ award for worst economist.

    • A Razzie award for economists. That just might catch on. Sargent would certainly be my choice for the Razzie for Unsurpassed Levels of Tautologous Vacuity and Banality. Fama a close runner up for sheer stupidity. Merton and Scholes would also be prime candidates for a Razzie category as would Samuelson, Prescott and Krugman.

      • There are worse Nobelists than Sargent, I believe. Norhaus’s contribution to environmentl economics was far worse than nothing.

  2. Here we are obviously dealing with an well educated, idiot! No more no less!A “Nobel Prize” can not cover that, a long interview there he ramble along nonsense! I prefer Gamlin 🙂

  3. Somehow missing the difference between a population with a mean of M and a population that is all at M…

    • Maybe think about a non-symmetric distribution

  4. Sargent, as an economist, the down-to-earth image of an unimaginative, economical model builder, nothing new with value he came up with.Well he can, his math and speaking boringly, in interviews. A perfect “Nobel Awarded Economist! Hope he had fun at the Nobel party with the Swedish King and the other nobles!

  5. The Success and Failure of Rational Choice

  6. “a powerful tool for making precise statements.”

    pi=3.411592653589793 is precise but not accurate

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